... where to begin? Well for starters Vegito is perhaps
the most misleading character in the game. At first glance he looks like a
monster being able to mix and match normals, fast traveling attacks with a
real nice crouching medium, possessing an Android 16-like air grab,
and the longest range anti-air special. Then you quickly find out that
linking all those normals doesn't do much in terms of damage, it's hard to
open people up with the single hopping low medium, the air grab isn't even close
to 16's, and crouching special is only used in combos. I'm not saying he's bad, it's just
that initial expectations are wrong. Vegito doesn't have to worry about
anything when sparking, however, he can be effective outside of sparking with a
decent amount of meter and assists. so contrary to popular belief he's a
terrible point character. if your team isn't meter dependent Vegito can work as
your second, if not he's best as an anchor. it seems like for every good
thing you can say about his normals there's the bad side to it. his standing
light is great due to the range and number of hits, however on whiff you're wide
open. his crouching light allows you to go back to the start of your combo chain,
but it's slow and doesn't hit low. his ki attacks are good, but his air heavies are
limiting. all in all I think it rounds out to above average but you can get in
a lot of trouble if used carelessly; Vegito is not for novice players.
surgical strikes with standing special can be effective but as a whole Vegito
doesn't have much of a full screen presence, and if your opponent wants to
get in on you... they're going to get in with little resistance. he has a lot of
forward momentum with this attacks but it's hard to gain any advantage from
them on whiff. Vegito is more of a calm calculated character in the matchup, so
despite what it seems I'd say he's average in the mobility department. on the
surface it doesn't look like Vegeta has a lot to
work with and outside of spark he's too needy, but during spark you can
build enough meter to end with a level-3 easily and then subject them to
one of the best 50/50's in the game; in the right hands Vegito is a better
version of Bardock but he has a much higher learning curve.
quarter-circle back and attack is your air grab... which you'll be using this a
lot. whether you're on the ground or in the air the properties are the same. the
light version comes out fast and travels upward more-so than the other versions,
which means the forward movement is the shortest. it doesn't count as a smash and
it doesn't give you a slide knockdown. the medium version has a longer startup
but it travels more out of 45-degree angle. it counts as a smash and it gives
you a sliding knockdown with some added damage. the heavy version like
usual contains the best qualities of both having a fast startup and giving
you a sliding knockdown. the travel angle is less than 45 degrees so it's
easier to combo into, it also does a lot more damage than the medium coming in at
17 percent when the medium is 11. all versions scale your combo by 3 if
it's the initial hit, and is extremely difficult to combo afterwards unless
you're using a vanishing attack or a super. the primary use is in combos... more
specifically at the end of your combo after a vanishing attack that gets you
corner pressure. quarter circle forward and attack will send Vegito flying
forward with some kicks... not the most flattering description but that's what
he does. if performed on the ground you're not considered airborne just in
case your opponent tries to crouching heavy you. the light version comes out
fast and... well... it comes out fast. the medium is a little slower and goes
slightly further but it does more damage with some extra kicks, it's also a smash
and wall bounces if you're by the corner allowing for a meterless extension. and
the heavy one expands on the medium with significantly increased range, a
faster startup, more damage, and you travel forward after the final hit to
help with wall bounce extensions. you'll be using this mainly in combos and blockstrings,
however you can use it to close the distance very quickly in the neutral.
quarter circle forward and special is your general-purpose ki blast. and since it's
the ki blast your opponent can cancel their guard with a reflect or superdash and
fly right through it. it scales your combo by 2 if it's the
combo starter and it's pretty generous with the hit conformation considering
it's a ki blast. you'd use this sparingly in the long range
neutral to get people to calm down. quarter circle back and special is your
counter, if successful, you're going to go into your auto combo grab which retains
the smash property but you can't naturally follow up with the superdash. and since
it's a special move you can't cancel into another special either. it doesn't
launch your opponent as high but it does knock them back further
so assist conversions outside of the corner will vary. it scales by 4, which
is 1 more than the auto combo version so don't expect big damage. assist
can trigger the counter but supers and grabs plow right through it. it's not active on
the first frame so you're still going to need reflect, plus you can miss but usually
you'll go unpunished thanks to your forward movement. it's main usage when
you think your opponent is gonna jump in on you. it's not advised against block
strings where your opponent uses a natural gap, but if it's a slightly
delayed medium or whatever, this will do the trick since it's highly unlikely
your opponent will be frame-perfect. so basically if your opponent has a time
an attack this is your best friend.
here's an overview of what attacks should be on your mind in a general matchup.
in the long range neutral if your opponent is actively trying to tag you
with their ki blast, super jump up and toss out your ki blast. yes, I know it's
difficult to hit-confirm in to a vanishing attack, but that's not the goal;
we just want to get your opponent to stop throwing ki blasts at you and
considering that most characters can't direct projectiles upwards they're gonna
have to stop and play a little defense. as soon as your opponent starts playing
defense use a max range standing forward special and buffer the genie kicks.
if forward special impacts the genie kicks come flying out and if your opponent ate
it hopefully you're close enough to the corner to convert, which if you use the
heavy genie kicks you can combo from mid stage. if your opponent happen to block
forward special... well now they're in a blockstring.
and if you whiff forward special... well nothing happens at best;
the genie kicks don't come out and you keep playing the neutral... and that worst
you might have a ki blast headed your way, and if that's the case cancel to
your vanishing attack. which eating a counter vanishing attack is much better
than getting comboed. just outside of mid range you have your generic options
which are better than most other characters because of Vegito's crouching
medium is long range and has a little hop at the beginning... kind of resembling
a jumping low air dash. on impact just go into your block string. and if they
happen to get hit, the easiest conversion is crouching heavy when you realize they
got hit. and when you're up close, standing light is your best friend. it's
obviously quick and has great forward movement with multiple hits allowing you
to easily confirm into whatever you want. just make sure not to get too carefree
with it; if you whiff you will be forced to use a vanishing attack to avoid punishment.
even though Vegito is best as an anchor, you might want to get him in the fight
early to allow other characters to regenerate blue health or maybe you just
have another anchor you want to run solo with. whatever the reason it's good to
know how assists can help you in a fight. you probably noticed that there's no low
juggle extension... and that's because his jumping heavy doesn't knock your
opponent downward normally; you'll have to use his full light auto combo to get
that and you'll need an assist to keep them low. then the extension itself is
pretty difficult and not everyone can do it. and it's all for what? a very minor
damage increase and some meter at the expense of both your assists, which means
you can't apply a proper blockstring afterwards and you lose the corner?
not worth it... corner dragon rush extensions don't even
work really because of the height and there's only two attacks that send the
opponent downward, his air grab, but you need that to end combos or else you're going
to lose the corner... and the second attack is your dragon rush, but you can't use
two dragon rushes in the same combo. but you guys already know that Vegito
doesn't get a whole lot from using assists in standard combos. let's start
with the main reason to use assist: the self-sustaining blockstring. this
column shows you to what degree an assist can cover the end of your loop
before you repeat. a green rating means that there are no gaps when using your
assist and allows you to go back into the loop with no reflect points.
the other column is your extension after a counter. it's not the most important
conversion in the world, but it's nice to get more damage and build meter when
you can... especially seen as it's not difficult to do.
Alright, that's all. if you don't care to see the details of this, skip to the time listed at the bottom of the screen.
the blockstring point structure is a normal affair.
one point if it's usable but there's a problem with it. two points if there's only one
reflect spot and your opponent can't get away from it. and three points if it's
gapless. we're going to the actual details of the blockstring later in the video.
here's the timing chart of the assists.
keep looking... keep looking... alright that's enough. Trunks has two gaps and the timing window isn't
very forgiving, but he can keep your opponent in place and protect you.
kid Gohan is gapless however it only works in the corner.
piccolo only works in the corner, has a gap, and counts as a small ki blast so you
can be interrupted. because of all this I can't give him any points, but if your
opponent is too scared to take a chance it'll do the job.
Super Saiyan Vegeta is gapless but since it's considered a small ki blasts you
can be interrupted or reflected at any point so it's actually full of gaps.
Vegeta's timing is a little after the first impact of the medium genie kicks.
there are two gaps but if time correctly your opponent can't get away.
Beerus has a gap that your opponent can reflect out of, but it'll punish jumps. your opponent
can also backdash out with some pinpoint timing... they have to jump
afterwards or else crouching light will catch them.
Vegeta Blue is in-fact gapless. he needs to be called out when standing special impacts. you got to be
quick with the genie kicks afterwards to maintain the block stun.
Gohan is gapless, but only works in the corner and the timing is a frame so before the impact freeze
ends on the second genie kick. the timing isn't easy so you're going to have to practice it.
Majin Buu has two reflect gaps but your opponent will get hit if
they try to jump or backdash out of it.
Krillin is gapless but only works in the corner. you'll have to remove the crouching light after the assist to make it work though.
Cell is gapless but since it takes him a while to jump out you're
going to have to slightly delay the heavy as opposed to the typical second medium.
now for the other column: your counter. you won't center your whole game around it
but it's nice to use and punish your opponent for being predictable.
since the damage will be heavily scaled it's generally not recommended to use
meter if it's not going to kill or setup for corner level3. one point if you
can combo with the jumping attack and two points if you can combo with the
grounded attack... most likely a standing light. here's the timing chart. you'll
notice that a lot of people have similar timing thanks to the hit-stun after
the counter. you'll usually have to dash up to them and use a standing light or
super jump; if it differs I'll let you know. oh and Bardock is really strict,
that's why he's in red... strict Bardock.
a standing light is possible with Bardock but it's really strict so he lost a point.
with Super Saiyan Goku and Goku Black follow up with the super dash.
Zamasu is a bit harder here's the timing for it. it's a little before the freeze frame but not too close.
Vegeta can get a standing light but it's strict so it's best just to use a super dash instead.
when using Beerus you got to be really quick with that standing light afterwards.
Yamcha can get a crouching medium if you quickly dash for a few frames first.
with 16 make sure to dash before your super jump. it's not an easy extension.
if you want to an easier extension with Cell just use a super dash.
as many of you already know Vegito has a problem opening up opponents because he
doesn't have a low crouching light or any other means beyond the generic
mid range options... so stop worrying about it and just force your blockstring on
them. yeah it's true you can block the whole thing low, but who cares? it's not your
job to mix them up, it's your opponents job to get out of it...
and if they don't make any attempt... oh well, I guess we'll just be like this
forever... slowly causing block damage as meter builds for both.
sounds like an awful movie, but whatever. I know this sounds
weird because everyone has this impulse to destroy your opponent as quickly as
possible but if they have the nerve to wait you out you should have the nerve
to keep doing your blockstring. keep in mind that non-sparking Vegito needs a
lot of meter to do really dirty stuff so build all the meter you can and when
your opponent finally tries to get out you'll have enough meter to use the more
effective setups. this blockstring requires you to slightly delay the
second medium with most assists... Cell specifically needs more time so it's the
heavy with him. the delay should be small enough to the point where if your
opponent tries to jump out they'll get hit. if your opponent is trying to
reflect your second slightly delayed medium, just delay your heavy instead.
your opponent will have to stand to reflect thus they'll get hit low then
smashed with standing heavy for a combo. alternatively you can just stop
the blockstring after the first medium then low air dash past them with the
heavy to punish the reflect. or if you want to punish a reflect after the
second medium... well, just do a second crouching medium instead of the heavy for a punish.
the second reflect point is after the standing special
because it's a small ki blast, but don't worry about getting a super dashed... it's not
going to end well for your opponent. if you think your opponent is going to try to
reflect after standing special, just use a light or a medium for the punish.
from this point on any additional gaps is based on your assist... and the assists I'm
using for the example are completely gapless, so this blockstring has two
reflect spots and some manual timing leaving more room for error.
not the greatest blockstring in the game, but it's not the worst either.
something I'd like to address right now... I'm not the greatest person when it
comes to precision and execution, I'd say I'm about average.
so this took me about 30 minutes of practicing to get the timing down pretty
well for both assists. you'll have to practice it for a while but it's not
impossible. And for what it's worth I'm still amazed that the only block-
string we see in competitive play is from adult Gohan.
I'm going to show you the only reason you need to argue Vegito's worth is more than just a battery on point.
you're probably thinking, "alright, so you hit the opponent post level3 with the
second hit of the auto combo... what's the big deal?" let's watch that again...
and now you're probably thinking that it looked like the grab from the auto combo
and if that's the case you'd be correct. post level3 in the corner, this is a
true 50/50 where if they guess wrong they die... and if they guess right they
block your assist and you still have the advantage.
let's take a look side-by-side out the 50/50.
yeah, your opponent is going to have to flip a coin on this one. without factoring in any assists, the kick beats
attacks and jumps, but loses to reflect. the grab beats blocking and reflects, but
loses to attacks and jumps. then factoring assists in, you can keep the advantage on a wrong guess.
now the timing for this will take some practice, however it's 100% possible to
get it down. the key is not to mash and properly time each attack. push light as
soon as the opponent hits the ground after the super, then if you want to go
for the grab slightly buffer the second hit, then time the light again for the grab.
if you want to go for the kick instead, push light as soon as the opponent
touches the ground like normal... but then time the second hit to be a frame or two late.
don't buffer it! if you buffer the second
hit it'll come out immediately in you're likely whiff it.
I know it it seems very difficult but with some practice and a few days you'll
be able to get it down pretty reliably. the reason why you don't want to mash
this out is because you don't know what you're going to get... plus if it comes out
frame one after the super you'll completely whiff the whole thing. so it's
a benefit that you're not frame perfect. this is definitely a two combo kill, just
remember that if you go for the grab you got to be creative with your assist
combo afterwards. personally I like to use an assist to get that low super dash
impact so I can bounce them off the wall and protect myself in case my opponent
guessed right, but not all assist can do that... so this will boil down to your
specific team; then there's the matter of extending it even further like I did
with the dragon rush.
when you're in spark you don't have to worry about meter because all his optimal
combos build plenty of it, which also includes the post-level3 combo.
trust me this 50/50 is the reason to play Vegito and makes him a serious threat.
do not use this man on point because you won't have access to this if you do.
okay okay the setup is pretty dirty, but what about those pesky opponents who
aren't shy about using a level3 on wake up?
well you can opt to punish it by canceling into a vanishing attack when
the second attack impacts with the kick setup... or rather a frame or two after the impact
you'll be in the early frames of your vanishing attack when the level3
activates so you're still considering in front of your opponent.
with good timing you'll get a full combo punish with your vanishing attack
passing right through them. with bad timing you just kick them away.
and with sparking good or bad you're going to get a full combo punish since you
can cancel the vanishing attack.
and of course if they didn't go for the level3 and got hit by the kick
if you're in sparking they're so dead seeing as you can easily get an 88% combo
afterwards, but you'll never see it because they'll die away before the end.
outside of sparking... maybe not. it depends on how much damage the first combo did
and how creative your second combo is since the vanishing attack will heavily
scale your damage.
make sure to use an assist to cover your vanishing attack outside of sparking
or else you could be punished on block.
Vegito's biggest weakness is that it's difficult to open up your opponent... which
you shouldn't feel obligated to force a mixup if it's not going to be effective.
because that will get you punished at worse, or allow your opponent to get out
of your blockstring easily at best. so if Vegito is your second character
well the story ends here... but if he's your teams last resort you have a few
ways to apply pressure and even mixup your opponent when sparking beyond the
generic options. the main string is standing light light medium, crouching light,
jump cancel into special, then forward air dash with light light before you land.
when jump cancelling into special you
don't want to be too low to the ground or else it won't let you dash. it'll take
some practice to get down consistently but it's not too difficult. your opponent
will get hit if they try to jump out or anti-air you after the crouching light
and the air dashing light light completely jail so crouching heavies or reflects can't
stop you... then you land and start the loop all over again with standing light light, which also jails.
you'll be using this most of the time since it's the
safest and easiest that hit confirm off of. now for the flowchart... the
purpose of this is to randomize which paths you take seeing as they all have
individual strengths and weaknesses to make it as difficult as possible for
your opponent to stay safe. so let's look at your first choices... light light medium
crouching light gives you the most frame advantage, however there's a gap
before the crouching light impacts so if your opponent's gutsy they can reflect
or jump out. which brings us to light light medium crouching medium, which
visually looks similar and has no gap and hits low... thus it will punish people
who try to reflect or jump out, but your options aren't as solid as the previous.
generally speaking until your opponent gives you a reason to use the crouching
medium starter, take advantage of the crouching light starter.
as mentioned earlier the jumping special is your safest bet from the light light
medium crouching light starter. it'll hit people who try to attack and jump, but it
can be reflected... which brings us to the second option... a low air dash into a
medium. it'll perfectly punish people who try to reflect because they're going to get
a forward special instead since you're going to be behind them by the time they
come out of their block-stun... but it loses to attacks, so it's a good mixup
with the jump special that beats attacks but loses to reflects. now let's look at
the light light medium crouching medium followups. going into standing special
then jump canceling into special is interesting because standing special
allows your opponent to cancel their block with a reflect, therefore it will cause the
reflect to come out too early and jumping special will impact during their recovery frames.
the downside is that your opponent can jump or backdash out of it...
hell, if they start blocking high too early they can walk out of it, and on top
of that if you're a few frames late you can be interrupted... so only use this if
your opponent is reflect-happy. so to recap if done after crouching
light, jumping special air dash light light beats attacks but loses to reflect,
if the same followup is done after crouching medium special it'll beat
reflect and attacks if your timing is tight but your opponent can escape easily.
the other followup is to simply use a crouching light after your crouching
medium, and that'll open up the door to the previous options. so these
are your primary strings, with light light medium crouching light being the
best starter and jumping special air dash light light being the best ender.
but considering how fast the flow of the match is... you don't always need something
to be airtight to be effective. I mean how many times do you see competitive
players get hit by dragon rushes? dragon rushes can be jumped, back dashed, interrupted,
escaped even if successfully impacted, and they
even have a big green pulse when activated to warn your opponent. so why
does it work? well when your opponent isn't expecting it the likeliness of
your opponent reacting correctly goes down the toilet. so...
let's look at some crazy stuff no one is going to expect. you'll notice that the two
new starters are pretty much the same except it ends with the crouching heavy.
you already know that there's a gap between standing medium and crouching light,
but there's no gap between crouching light and crouching heavy... however
there's a tiny gap between crouching medium and crouching heavy so if they
try to jump or attack they're going to get hit.
both of these starters have gaps they're just in different places. now let's take
a look at the next followup options. at the top you have your air ki blast
which will keep your opponent in place, but it can be interrupted with the super dash.
if you're concerned with the super dash you can opt for dashing light
after the crouching heavy for the crossup which happens to punish a super dash.
just make sure to hit them deep with that light or else you're not
gonna be able to combo in time in the event of a successful crossup.
after your air ki blast you have enough advantage to the point where they
can't interrupt or avoid your falling light which can be canceled into
special for a familiar ender... kind of. there's a tiny reflect point between
light and special and there's no natural way to punish this aside from manually
breaking your flow, so your best bet here is to come down with the light, then land
and reset them... probably with the dragon rush. keep in mind even though you have
the frame advantage on your opponent they can plow through your falling light
with a crouching heavy so the counter play to that is to vanish as soon as
your ki blast impacts and use special cancelled into another ki blast to keep
them in place. and the final option is to slightly delay your special after
vanishing then dashing forward for the crossup with medium. by slightly
delaying this special it will punish reflects and allow you to cancel into your
air dash for the crossup which completely jails.
if you don't delay the special you're going to be too low and won't be able to
air dash, so just delay it a little bit. so if you don't delay special after your
vanish it'll beat attacks but can be reflected, and if you slightly delay the
special you'll get caught by super dashes however you'll punish reflects.
this is why Vegito needs spark when running solo... he can actually mixup your
opponent and have self-sustaining level3 combos and dirty corner and mixups
that lead to death. feel free to experiment around there are
other followups you can use but these are just the most practical ones I found.
but be advised that none of this is easy to do; Vegito is the most difficult
character that I've done a guide for so far. while I wouldn't consider him top 3
he's definitely not low tier. >_<
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