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>>> THIS YEAR AT LEAST FIVE OPENLY TRANSGENDER WOMEN SIGNED
UP FOR THE BOSTON MARATHON.
AND FOR THE FIRST TIME LAST WEEK, TRANSGENDER RUNNERS COULD
COMPETE USING THE GENDER THEY IDENTIFY WITH, NOT NECESSARILY
THE GENDER THEY WERE BORN WITH.
FOR LOCAL PERSPECTIVE ON THIS, I SPOKE WITH TWO PEOPLE FROM THIS
REGION WHO HAVE RUN THE MARATHON, AMY RUSIECKI AND
KELSEY ALLEN.
>> I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING AND DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT
I'M REALLY PROUD THAT THEY DID.
I THINK THAT, I HOPE THAT MORE RACERS WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
>> YOU PERSONALLY IDENTIFY AS NONBINARY?
>> I DO.
>> I THINK THAT'S A NEW TERM FOR SOME PEOPLE K. YOU HELP THEM
UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS?
>> SURE.
I THINK BOTH TRANSGENDER AND NONBINARY ARE, YOU KNOW, IT
DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ARE, IT MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT
PEOPLE.
FOR MYSELF IT JUST MEANS THEY DON'T PARTICULARLY FEEL EITHER
MALE OR FEMALE, AND DEFINITELY THROUGHOUT MY LIFE THAT'S
PRESENTED ITSELF IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
BUT IN TERMS OF RUNNING, I THINK THAT I TEND TO RUN WITH WOMEN
MORE OFTEN.
I'M ON A WOMEN'S TEAM.
BUT I DON'T THINK OF MYSELF AS PARTICULARLY FITTING INTO THAT
BOX ALL THE TIME.
>> AMY, FOR YOU, YOU'VE RAN IN BOSTON, YOU'RE AN ULTRA RUNNER,
YOU'RE ALSO A RACE DIRECTOR, HOW DO YOU SEE MOST RACES HANDLING
THE ISSUE OF GENDER?
>> SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT I FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST STARTING TO BE
TACKLED BY RACE DIRECTORS.
A RACE LIKE THE HOT CHOCOLATE RUN PROBABLY AS FAR AS I KNOW
THEY TOOK ONE OF THE FIRST BIG STEPS THAT I SAW TO ALLOW PEOPLE
TO REGISTER AS NONBINARY SLASH PREFER NOT TO ANSWER, AS OPPOSED
TO MAKING EVERYONE DECIDE BETWEEN MALE AND FEMALE,
RECOGNIZING THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT THAT'S HOW THEY
IDENTIFY.
AT THE VERMONT 100 WE'VE HAD A MALE TO FEMALE TRANSGENDER WHO
FINISHED ON THE PODIUM, AND I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THAT AS A RACE
DIRECTOR WITH COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND OR
THINK IT'S FAIR.
WE CERTAINLY AWARDED HER HER RIGHTFUL TOP THREE PLACE, BUT
I'VE HAD TO FIELD SOME E-MAILS AND PHONE CALMS FROM PEOPLE WHO
DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT WAS RIGHT AND YET I FEEL LIKE SHE HAS DONE
EVERYTHING RIGHT AND SHE REGISTERED FEMALE AND NO REASON
TO TAKE AWAY HER ACCOMPLISHMENT.
>> ONE OF THE CONCERNS I READ ABOUT, AND THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS HAVE GRAPPLED WITH INCLUDING THE
OLYMPICS, IS THE COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE THAT PERHAPS
TRANSGENDER PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE, IF YOU'RE USING EITHER ESTROGEN
OR TESTOSTERONE AND WOULD YOU MANIPULATE THOSE LEVELS TO SORT
OF GIVE YOU A COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?
IS THERE A COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE FOR A TRANSGENDER RUNNER
SOMETIMES?
>> I THINK THAT FOR INSTANCE IN THE BOSTON MARATHON THERE ARE
MANY, MANY RUNNERS AND NOT EVERYBODY IS DRUG TESTED ALL THE
TIME, AND I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
HOW A TRANSGENDER PERSON IS TREATED IN THAT RESPECT THAN
ANYBODY ELSE.
HOW THEY IDENTIFY SHOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT IS SCRUTINIZED
ANY MORE SO THAN LIKE WHAT ANYBODY ELSE IS PUTTING INTO
THEIR BODY.
AND THERE ARE DEFINITELY USATF TRACK AND FIELD RULES THAT I
KNOW THE BOSTON ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION IS FOLLOWING AS
WELL.
>> THAT'S THE EXACT STANCE THAT I TOOK AT THE VERMONT 100 WHEN
PEOPLE DID QUESTION WHY DID THIS TRANSGENDER RUNNER STILL GET ON
THE PODIUM, AND HAVE YOU DRUG TESTED AND, AND I SAID I DIDN'T
CHECK FOR TESTOSTERONE LEVELS AND ALSO DIDN'T CHECK FOR
ANYBODY ELSE WHO -- I'M NOT PUTTING HER UNDER ANY
ADDITIONAL SCRUTINY THAN ANYONE ELSE.
THAT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT TO ME.
>> THE CHIEF OF THE BOSTON ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION THAT
MANAGES THE BOSTON MARATHON RACE TOLD "THE BOSTON GLOBE" THAT
MEMBERS OF THE LGBT COMMUNITY HAVE HAD A LOT TO DEAL WITH OVER
THE YEARS, AND WE'D RATHER NOT ADD TO THAT BURDEN.
IS THERE A BURDEN WHEN YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT DO I REGISTER AS
MALE, DO I REGISTER AS FEMALE, IS THAT BURDEN SOME TO YOU?
>> I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, RUNNING IS A LOT OF FUN TO ME.
SO I DON'T TEND TO TAKE IT ALL THAT SERIOUSLY, AND I ENJOY IT.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A BURDEN.
BUT I DO REALLY APPRECIATE, ESPECIALLY THE FACT THAT FOR
INSTANCE IN AMY'S RACE, THE ONE THAT'S COMING UP, I WAS ABLE TO
REGISTER AS, I FORGET WHAT, NONBINARY, WHICH IS GREAT AND
FELT REALLY GOOD TO NOT HAVE TO CHECK THAT BOX.
>> IF YOU LOOK AT LARGER RACES, CHICAGO, LOS ANGELES, THOSE BIG
RACES, THEY DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC POLICY WRITTEN RIGHT
NOW.
DO YOU THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE A SPECIFIC POLICY SAYING WE
AM LAW YOU TO REGISTER WITH A GENDER THAT YOU IDENTIFY WITH?
>> I THINK THAT THE USATF AND THE INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC
COMMITTEE, THOSE TWO ENTITIES HAVE ALREADY LOOKED REALLY
CAREFULLY AT WHAT THEY THINK IS FAIR IN TERMS OF WHEN SOMEBODY
THAT IS TRANSGENDER CAN REGISTER AS MALE AND FEMALE THROUGHOUT
THE PROCESS.
SO WITH MY RACES, ALL I DO IS BASICALLY SAY HEY, WE'RE A USATF
CERTIFIED RACE, IT MEANS THAT YOU MEET THOSE GUIDELINES.
IT ALSO MEANS THAT YOU MEET THE NO USE OF PERFORMANCE ENHANCING
DRUG GUIDELINES.
SO THAT WAY I DON'T HAVE TO CALL OUT TRANSGENDER RUNNERS
SPECIFICALLY AND SAY, HEY, YOU'RE WELCOME TO BE HERE, THEY
CAN BE HERE AND THEY KNOW WHERE THEY FALL, BECAUSE THERE'S
ALREADY THESE GREAT POLICIES IN PLACE BY PEOPLE THAT KNOW A LOT
MORE THAN I DO ABOUT IT.
>> SO YOU'RE RACING PARTNERS, YOU HELP EACH OTHER TRAIN.
WHAT WAS IT LIKE WORKING WITH AMY?
>> IT WAS FAIRLY TYPICAL, WE'VE BEEN DOING TRACK WORKOUTS ALL
WINTER, WE DO A LOT OF TRAIL RUNNING.
>> ULTRA TRAIL RUNNERS TOO.
SO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT.
A MARATHON, THAT'S LIKE A DAY AT THE PARK FOR YOU.
>> YES.
>> WHAT IS AN ULTRA MARATHON WHAT IS THAT MILEAGE WISE?
>> IT'S ANYTHING GREATER THAN A MARATHON, SO IT'S TRADITIONAL,
31K, UP TO A 100 MIME RACE AND I'VE DONE ALL OF THEM.
KELSEY IS TRAINING FOR HER FIRST 100-MILE RACE IN ANOTHER MONTH.
WE DO THE LONG STUFF.
I WOULDN'T SAY THE MARATHON IS A SPRINT FOR ME, BUT IT'S MORE
LIKE IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT MIND SET, RATHER THAN IN AN ULTRA,
YOU JUST GO OUT AND YOU DON'T WORRY ABOUT PACE AND TAKE IT
EASY AND NEVER WORK TOO HARD.
IN A MARATHON YOU HAVE TO FOCUS A LOT MORE AND YOU HAVE TO BE
GOING A LITTLE HARDER AND FASTER.
>> THE CONDITIONS ON MONDAY WERE JUST BRUTAL.
IS THAT TOO LIGHT A WORD?
IT LOOK ED BRUTAL.
>> YES, IT WAS PRETTY ROUGH.
I WORE A RAIN COAT AND BASEBALL HAT.
I WAS FORTUNATE, I'VE RUN IN THE PAST WITH A WOMAN AND IT WAS A
50-MILE TRAIL RACE THAT I HAD BEEN FOCUSING ON AND ENDED UP
RAINING AND I WAS SHIN DEEP IN MUD THE WHOLE WAY AND I REMEMBER
BEING REALLY DISAPPOINTED.
I RAN WITH A FRIEND OF MINE WHO WAS SMILING RIVER TIME WE GOT
SUCK IN THE MUD.
SHE'S LIKE A BAD ATTITUDE CAN'T CHANGE THE SITUATION, AND I
REMEMBERED THAT ON MONDAY.
SO I SPLASHED IN THE PUDDLES ON PURPOSE, I JUST WAS LIKE, YOU
KNOW WHAT, THIS IS A DAY WE'VE WITHIN GIVEN, WE'RE STILL
RUNNING BOGUES, THIS IS AWESOME, AND JUST FORGOT ABOUT ANYTHING
ELSE, JUST TO LIVE THE EXPERIENCE.
>> AND WHAT ON EARTH POSSESSES YOU TO WANT TO RUN 100 MILES, IF
I CAN ASK THAT QUESTION?
>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
JUST THE CHALLENGE.
YEAH, I LOVE BEING OUT ON THE TRAILS, I LOVE THAT FEELING OF
GETTING INTO A GROOVE AND JUST LIKE HOLDING ON EXPIRKTS A, AND
IT JUST FEELS DIFFERENT THAN A 5K.
>> IT'S PAINFUL.
>> IT IS, IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF CHALLENGE.
YOU DEFINITELY HAVE LOTS OF TIME TO EITHER TALK WITH OTHER
RUNNERS IF YOU'RE RUNNING WITH THEM, WHICH IS REALLY NICE AND
ALSO JUST BE IN YOUR OWN SPACE AS WELL.
>> I ADMIRE WHAT BOTH OF YOU DO.
THANKS FOR COMING IN TO TALK TODAY.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> NO PROBLEM.
>> THANK YOU.
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