The beauty about science is that it's always changing. The thing that changes is
technology - how do you do things. And sometimes the technology doesn't exist
to be able to do what you want to do and then you develop the technology. If you
can't do something figure out how to do it!
That required me to have a hypodermic
that was very very small and a microscope to be able to see the cells,
and then to be able to put the needle into the nucleus, and then to deliver the
DNA into the nucleus. And next to me was Larry Okun, a colleague, and he was
using an instrument to actually record electrical currents in a cell. I looked
at his apparatus and it looked pretty much like a hypodermic needle to me. And
so instead of having a needle to record electricity then I would have a needle
that then would be able to contain DNA, and I could put some pressure into this
needle and then use as a hypodermic to put into the nucleus of a cell.
The tip of the needle is so small that I can't see it under this microscope. The
needle is about a hundredth as big as a hair maybe one-thousandth, somewhere in that
range, so it's a very small needle and you have to be very careful with it
because if you touch it on something it explodes. So you can't just
bzoom! And the microscope is what we call an inverted microscope. It's
actually looking at the image from bottom up. And the reason for that
is that we want to be able to play up at above but see from below. So it was
the first time that somebody had actually taken DNA, put it into a cell
into the nucleus, and then shown that it functions.
You know, this allows us to put anything you want into a cell. Proteins, you know,
you name it! And so then that's lit up a a light bulb, bam! If I could do that,
for example, in a mouse embryo, whoo! I could change any gene I want!
Well I think the machine was the right tool simply because it works. You
know, for a while I carried this thing around in a suitcase. I'd
give a lecture and then afterwards I'd pull it out like the Fuller Brush man and
show my ware and then show them how to do it. And that was important because
if I develop a technology and I'm the only person that can utilize it, it's
worthless. You're seeing cells you but can move them around and here's your
needle, boom boom boom, and they and you're doing one one after another. I got pretty
good at this machine I could do about a thousand per hour, worked 10 hours, so I
could do about 10,000 a day. And so I had Patsy Cline turned up high-volume, I've
take a lot of coffee, I'm a coffee addict, so then I'm really hypered up and then I
can really go. It's just like a video game. This is an antique,
but it's a cute antique.
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